Trade Findings and Adjustments 07-16-2020

Trade Findings and Adjustments 07-16-2020

I’m going to focus on how to come out of a market crash stronger vs half broken

You have to choose and stand up for what you believe in !!!

Kevin you don’t spread trade as much as others ?  Why?

          Because you have real results not paper trading or part paper trading results

It’s very hard if not IMPOSSIBLE to time the markets

Adjusting can cause bigger losses and not make every trade profitable

I love my job gets to treat people as people not a number, not an inconvenience, not as a associate, BUT as a real person with real concerns as EACH of you has your own story

What we do here allows for “REAL” growth in people

To make it simple – Hurley Investments in more than just managing money

We are offering the opportunity for protection in down markets, for friendship, for real life advice and that goes both ways, for seeing the amazing people that are out there in this screwed up world we get to live in.


I’M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PLACING ANY TRADES UNLESS they are collar trades or protective puts on stock ownership

Quiet Period


Updated Jun 5, 2019

What Is a Quiet Period?

Prior to a company’s Initial Public Offering (IPO), the quiet period is an SEC-mandated embargo on promotional publicity. This prohibits management teams or their marketing agents from making forecasts or expressing any opinions about the value of their company.

For publicly-traded stocks, the four weeks before the close of a business quarter is also known as a quiet period. Here again, corporate insiders are forbidden to speak to the public about their business to avoid tipping certain analysts, journalists, investors, and portfolio managers to an unfair advantage – often to avoid the appearance of insider information, whether real or perceived.


  • A quiet period is a set amount of time in which a company’s management and marketing teams cannot share opinions or additional information about the firm.
  • The purpose of the quiet period is to preserve objectivity and avoid the appearance of a company providing insider information to select investors.
  • With an IPO, the quiet period stretches from the time a company files registration paperwork with U.S. regulators through the 40 days after the stock starts trading.
  • With publicly-traded companies, the quiet period is a reference to the four weeks before the end of the business quarter.

Investors should brace for a wild earnings season and expect little guidance for what’s ahead




  • Analysts estimates are all over the place because about 40% of companies are not providing guidance on earnings.
  • Companies will be hesitant to provide guidance on the third quarter as well.
  • It’s debatable whether there will be a V-shaped recovery in the economy, but stock analysts are predicting a sharp rise in earnings.

Earnings season, which officially starts Tuesday with JPMorgan and Wells Fargo, is going to be wild — and unpredictable.

Here’s why: About 40% of companies are not providing any guidance at all. As a result, analyst estimates are all over the place, because they rely principally on company guidance to formulate their own models.

There’s an even bigger problem shaping up: Companies are unlikely to come out of their shell and start providing clearer guidance for the third quarter because the reopening story is much murkier than it was a month ago.

Already, General MillsMacy’sCapri Holdings and Constellation Brands have declined to provide guidance. So did FedEx, which said in its earnings release a week ago that it was not providing an earnings forecast for fiscal 2021 because the timing and pace of an economic recovery are uncertain.

For Nick Raich, who follows earnings at the Earnings Scout, that’s an early warning sign: “If they continue to refrain from guidance, it will be because they don’t know how the reopening story is playing out,” he said.

Does that mean the rally is in serious trouble? Not necessarily. “This is the most uncertain period in a long time,” he said, “but as long as hopes for a vaccine and treatment continue to improve, the earnings estimates will hold up. If cases go up and the death rates go down, that means the mortality rate isn’t as high as feared.” That would be a positive, even if we had continued outbreaks, he said.

Why the rally may be at risk

Raich concedes that the foundations of this belief are getting shakier: “If the death rates spike, and there are extended closures, then the earnings expectations will be ratcheted lower.”

The rally off the March lows is based on the concept that the reopening will proceed relatively smoothly, that unending stimulus will be available, and that the second quarter was the bottom and that the earnings picture will begin improving from here.

Nicholas Colas, who tracks corporate earnings at DataTrek, also believes that if the reopening proceeds the rally can easily continue. In a recent note, he wrote that for the first time in many months earnings are being revised upward rather than downward. We are “on the right track and certainly at the right point in a post-crisis business cycle to believe that earnings expectations are too low as long as Congress passes further economic stimulus this month,” he said.

While it’s debatable whether there will be a V-shaped recovery in the economy, stock analysts are clearly predicting a sharp recovery in earnings. The second quarter is expected to see a decline of 44% in earnings for the S&P 500, the biggest decline since the Great Recession 11 years ago, but is expected to rapidly recover from there.

S&P 500 earnings estimates

Q1: Down 12.8%

Q2: Down 44%

Q3: Down 24.4%

Q4: Down 12.9%

Q1 2021: Up 11.7%

Q2 2021: Up 70.6%

Source: Refinitiv

The problem is the lack of earnings guidance and the unpredictability of the path of the Covid-19 outbreak is making analyst estimates useless in many cases.

Take Nike. The company recently reported a loss of 51 cents a share. Analysts on average were anticipating a gain of 7 cents. Huh?

It’s even wilder when you look at the range of estimates. The low analyst estimate was for a loss of 38 cents, the high estimates was for a gain of 46 cents. That’s a range of 84 cents from the high to the low estimate.

Incredibly, not a single analyst got it right, not even close: 100% of Nike analysts were wrong.

There are similar, shockingly wide differences in analyst earnings estimates for widely covered stocks like IBMJPMorganGeneral Motors and Caterpillar.

Christine Short, vice president of market research at TipRanks, which ranks market analysts by accuracy, agrees the dispersion between analyst estimates has rarely been higher. As a result, she expects to see fewer companies beating estimates than usual, and she, too, is not optimistic that companies will be providing any more guidance than they did three months ago. “I don’t think you are going to get too much,” she said. “It’s going to be really vague.”

Still, David Aurelio, who tracks corporate earnings at Refinitiv, said he continues to believe that the second quarter was the bottom. “There was a complete shutdown in the second quarter,” he said. “At a minimum you are going to see something short of that going forward, and so there will be more spending than in the second quarter.”

One big winner

Even if the reopening story unfolds without major shutdowns, the broad recovery in earnings expected is not evenly distributed. Colas said in a recent note that “Even if S&P 500 earnings fully rebound by Q321, most cyclical groups will likely still be far from prior cycle peak earnings. Financials, Real Estate and Energy show the worst comps.”

One thing for sure: Analysts are convinced that whether the reopening goes smoothly or not, technology will be the winner. With S&P earnings expected down 44% for the second quarter, technology is expected to be down only 8%, and only 3.5% in the third quarter. Semiconductor equipment companies, which make the equipment that make the semiconductors, are seeing healthy gains in virtually all quarters.

“With technology, there’s an explosion in data centers, and the rollout to 5G, that is powering these technologies,” Aurelio  said.

“For tech, it’s tails we win, heads we win.”


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